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Re: [新聞]微軟承諾可見將來都不會再有像WP8的大更新

看板WindowsPhone作者 (protect)時間13年前 (2012/07/03 19:06), 編輯推噓20(22推 2噓 50→)
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來看這篇完整原文 Microsoft: We've only shown you a minority of consumer features in Windows Phone 8 so far Greg Sullivan, senior product manager for Windows Phone, has told Pocket-lint that the company has so far only showed a minority of features aimed at consumers in Windows Phone 8. We can expect plenty more to be revealed in the run up to the launch later this year. "We showed a lot at the Sneak Peek event in San Francisco, if you were a developer or an IT pro," he exclusively told us. "Of the end-user consumer visible features and capabilities, we showed a minority of features at the event." Sullivan wouldn't share with us what the company still has in store, but confirmed there was plenty more coming besides just a new start screen - maybe a new Windows Phone 8 arched keyboard? Much of the Sneak Peek event focused on Windows Phone 8 developer and IT pro features, with consumers only really getting a glimpse at the new start screen and the NFC wallet. However, Sullivan was keen to tell us that won't be the case in the final version. "This release has a significant amount of new functionality for developers and IT pros in particular, and because of the planning cycles involved in getting them the information they need to take advantage of the release when it hits, we thought it was important to confirm and prepare them. Which is partly why we didn't detail all the consumer features," he explained. The news is likely to be welcomed by Windows Phone fans who probably thought that, from a feature point of view, the new update, expected in October, wasn't going to deliver much to the average consumer. "You have to balance it. We aren’t vertically integrated like Apple, we have a host of partners we work with, a developer eco-system to think about," said Sullivan. "We [Microsoft] provide a general-purpose platform that provides a choice of manufacturers and a choice of folks building on it, and that really makes it difficult for us to launch hours after we announce it." It's a schedule that the senior product manager hopes won't have to be repeated anytime soon though. "The way we are thinking about this is that Windows Phone 8 is a generational shift that has an associated discontinuity that we don't expect to happen again soon," he said. "The headroom that we get from this new architecture is so significant that it provides us room to grow for a long time." That headroom is in line with what you see on laptops and tablets today. In theory, Sullivan said, the Windows Phone 8 mobile operating system will be able to support processors with not just dual-core capability, but also those up to 64-cores. But why the change now rather than three years ago when Windows Phone 7 was announced? Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think so. "We reset our mobile strategy in early 2009. And in late 2010 we delivered a product based on that approach. We went back to the drawing board and started over," he told us. "We didn't start over from an architecture point of view, but we went very 'low'. It did lots of things, but not what we have today with Windows Phone 8. "We didn't [go with Windows architecture] because of a couple of dynamics that made it infeasible to do that at the time. The first is that Windows wasn't on ARM at that time. Could the phone team have down it? Yes I suppose, but that work hadn't been done yet. "The other reason is that the work we've done on Windows Phone 8 and the processors are different in a meaningful way from the previous generation or the ones that we are shipping on today. "At a risk of over simplifying it, the work on the SOCs [phone processors] today is hierarchy dominated by the modem chip and the apps processor is secondary to it, in the next generation that relationship is reversed and the apps processor is the boss." But perhaps more importantly for Microsoft, seeing that Apple's iPhone was dominating the smartphone market, and Google's Android platform was starting to get traction, Microsoft didn't want to wait any longer. "In 2009 it didn't seem a good idea to wait for multi-core processor support," Sullivan rationalised. http://is.gd/nAzamX -- 不好意思懶得逐段翻了。 前半段是在說WP8會有更多會場上沒提到的新功能，後半段則是在解釋WP7升級問題。 大意就是，為何當初沒有讓WP7機種搭配較好的硬體(多核支援)預留能夠升級的空間呢?因 為WP7作為2009年WM砍掉重練後的系統，沒時間搞那些當時已經出現的多核支援。他同時 認為這次WP8大改其實是他們一直想要做的，但不認為當時先讓WP上有何不對，因為當時 蘋果已經吃掉大半行動市場，估狗也展現了牽制的實力急起直追，微軟不能等。 言下之意就是在微軟的規劃中，WP7系列只是為了卡位的半成品，但他們不覺得有錯。以 市場策略來說或許無可厚非，但你WP推出時有跟消費者說清楚嗎?你跟消費者說是全新架 構，現在又改口間接承認那只是半成品所以沒辦法升級到WP8。最令人生氣的是他那句 "Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think so." 這樣還護航得下去嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.136.188.204
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07/03 19:20, , 1F
微軟的跩樣讓我真的滿不爽的，雖然8的螢幕很醜不想升
07/03 19:20, 1F
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07/03 19:21, , 2F
但是看到MS這麼蝦掰讓人超不爽的，以後絕對不買。
07/03 19:21, 2F
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07/03 19:23, , 3F
如果蘋果也這樣對我 我就二話不說直接離開了
07/03 19:23, 3F
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07/03 19:28, , 4F
對其他兩系統不感興趣 還是會繼續用WP 沒別的困擾XDD
07/03 19:28, 4F
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07/03 19:29, , 5F
微軟的態度真的很跩...我好難理解他們怎麼能跩成這樣..
07/03 19:29, 5F
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07/03 19:30, , 6F
很難理解嗎? 他的平台要統一江湖啦 大家罵歸罵
07/03 19:30, 6F
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07/03 19:31, , 7F
Win8 WP8只會更多廠商投入而已 誰理你們?
07/03 19:31, 7F
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07/03 19:43, , 8F
財大氣粗 穩定成長中 沒有倒閉壓力 要多跩就能多跩
07/03 19:43, 8F
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07/03 19:43, , 9F
就算手機市場整個失敗 還是能從其他地方賺回來
07/03 19:43, 9F
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07/03 20:00, , 10F
我不太懂你們看這遍文章氣的點是什麼 ?解釋給我聽一下
07/03 20:00, 10F
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07/03 20:06, , 11F
可以接受的就繼續用 無法接受的就不要用
07/03 20:06, 11F
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07/03 20:07, , 12F
難道當初你買的時候微軟有給過你什麼承諾嗎?
07/03 20:07, 12F
講這樣還看不懂，我也沒必要解釋給你們懂 你們覺得很好、沒什麼或可接受我也沒有任何意見
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07/03 20:10, , 13F
氣的點就是拿WP7使用者來練功卡位升等 不覺得有錯
07/03 20:10, 13F
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07/03 20:15, , 14F
我只是很想聽MS的人說一聲"讓大家買了手機不到半年就被
07/03 20:15, 14F
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07/03 20:16, , 15F
不用麻煩你翻譯了 我自己看得懂
07/03 20:16, 15F
我又沒逼你看我的翻譯，你會不會太好笑了點
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07/03 20:17, , 16F
迫必須立刻準備換手機,真的非常抱歉.."
07/03 20:17, 16F
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07/03 20:18, , 17F
而不是"我覺得我們為了卡市場,所以推出半成品的系統,非
07/03 20:18, 17F
※ 編輯: Riyuberg 來自: 220.136.188.204 (07/03 20:18)
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07/03 20:18, , 18F
常合理,我並不覺得我們有做錯"
07/03 20:18, 18F
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07/03 20:18, , 19F
跟 Nokia, HTC 說......
07/03 20:18, 19F
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07/03 20:19, , 20F
我很膚淺,就算只是表面上的道歉,都能讓我好過一點
07/03 20:19, 20F
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07/03 20:21, , 21F
MS的人,發言的口氣感覺一直很有問題
07/03 20:21, 21F
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07/03 20:26, , 22F
原文的問題明明是 為什麼現在才打算支援多核 而不是3年前
07/03 20:26, 22F
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07/03 20:26, , 23F
這當初是不是個錯誤的決定
07/03 20:26, 23F
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07/03 20:28, , 24F
微軟回答3年前WINDOWS FOR ARM 還沒做好 而且市場壓力不
07/03 20:28, 24F
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07/03 20:28, , 25F
能等
07/03 20:28, 25F
But why the change now rather than three years ago when Windows Phone 7 was announced? Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think so. 前後文看一看好嗎 ※ 編輯: Riyuberg 來自: 220.136.188.204 (07/03 20:30)
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07/03 20:34, , 26F
讓他們繼續護航吧 反正願意相信下去就去買 以現在這狀
07/03 20:34, 26F
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07/03 20:35, , 27F
況微軟的發言模式就像我當初相信wp7會很棒一樣
07/03 20:35, 27F
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07/03 20:35, , 28F
是你沒看還是我沒看...
07/03 20:35, 28F
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07/03 20:36, , 29F
等整個大環境和APP廠商能apple google, 和MS 能一律平
07/03 20:36, 29F
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07/03 20:36, , 30F
做生意有做生意上的考量,我可以理解,但是我在意的是MS
07/03 20:36, 30F
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07/03 20:37, , 31F
等 同時間推出和完整功能體驗 不知道要多久
07/03 20:37, 31F
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07/03 20:37, , 32F
發言的態度. 對於對消費者造成的傷害,毫無歉意. 很跩.
07/03 20:37, 32F
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07/03 20:38, , 33F
現在看來就是微軟註定在這分面佔絕大弱勢 又不努力改
07/03 20:38, 33F
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07/03 20:39, , 34F
只是要一句"造成大家的衝擊,非常抱歉" 跟要他們的命一
07/03 20:39, 34F
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07/03 20:39, , 35F
善 只會在那畫大餅 等觀眾等到肚子都餓了 才跟你說 對
07/03 20:39, 35F
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07/03 20:39, , 36F
不起 我們換菜單 請你們重新買票
07/03 20:39, 36F
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07/03 20:39, , 37F
樣...一次一次的辯解,只是傷害支持者的感情而已...
07/03 20:39, 37F
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07/03 21:00, , 38F
我想 要大公司道歉 不太容易 就像天線門那樣
07/03 21:00, 38F
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07/03 21:02, , 39F
你說HTC天線門嗎?
07/03 21:02, 39F
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07/03 21:03, , 40F
我同意kuso 說的 支持的就會繼續支持 不支持就是不支持
07/03 21:03, 40F
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07/03 21:17, , 41F
還好我3月多就脫手了(菸)
07/03 21:17, 41F
噓
07/03 21:33, , 42F
我不懂上面有些找不到重點的人是哪裡有問題。
07/03 21:33, 42F
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07/03 21:34, , 43F
支持?當時聽到Nokia要出Windows Phone的時候馬上支持
07/03 21:34, 43F
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07/03 21:34, , 44F
現在是微軟面對顧客的時候就是感謝你們進行Beta測試
07/03 21:34, 44F
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07/03 21:35, , 45F
嘿，我的確沒有想要升上WP8，但是以後出一堆APP都不
07/03 21:35, 45F
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07/03 21:36, , 46F
能用，這倒是我始料未及的。 隨你們護航，你們家的事
07/03 21:36, 46F
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07/03 21:42, , 47F
標題其實沒說錯阿 WP8不會有 因為已經變成WP9了 XD
07/03 21:42, 47F
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07/03 21:44, , 48F
MS該做的是告訴大家7.8會有哪些功能改變 讓人期待一下
07/03 21:44, 48F
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07/03 21:45, , 49F
而不是一直執著解釋自己是正確的 反正決策都下了...
07/03 21:45, 49F
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07/03 21:46, , 50F
反正MS有的是實驗品，註定在行動市場和音樂商店這塊失敗了
07/03 21:46, 50F
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07/03 21:50, , 51F
這不就是我之前說的那樣..
07/03 21:50, 51F
噓
07/03 22:00, , 52F
我只能說執行長換成肥鮑這個Ass hole之後，微軟越來越不
07/03 22:00, 52F
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07/03 22:01, , 53F
老實了，反而比爾在位的時候還好。
07/03 22:01, 53F
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07/03 22:42, , 54F
支持的就會繼續支持 是嗎?
07/03 22:42, 54F
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07/03 22:48, , 55F
2%... 甘有差?
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07/03 22:59, , 56F
很少看到市佔2%就能這麼高姿態的 不說還以為是市佔50%
07/03 22:59, 56F
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07/03 23:00, , 57F
微軟表示: WIN8市佔沒對手阿 WP8跟WIN8綁一起 輕鬆~~~
07/03 23:00, 57F
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07/03 23:34, , 58F
WP8目前市佔為0 要說沒對手,感覺好像也不算錯XD
07/03 23:34, 58F
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07/04 00:04, , 59F
微軟此時的態度和Nokia先前還是龍頭時的態度一樣
07/04 00:04, 59F
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07/04 00:05, , 60F
微軟還有很多東西好稱 不會烙到NOKIA的下場 OK的
07/04 00:05, 60F
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07/04 00:06, , 61F
Nokia表示:... 話說Nokia還是很龍頭啊，更新也慢慢來
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07/04 00:08, , 62F
去年就說NOKIA中木馬了...當然慢 XD
07/04 00:08, 62F
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07/04 00:11, , 63F
希望Elop為了自清多加把勁，修好相機我還是能接受
07/04 00:11, 63F
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07/04 00:12, , 64F
連900的相機都是綠的,應該是不用期待會修好了吧
07/04 00:12, 64F
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07/04 00:15, , 65F
上面這句話我可以當作沒聽到(血淚)
07/04 00:15, 65F
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07/04 00:36, , 66F
無所謂啊 反正約滿就換iphone吧
07/04 00:36, 66F
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07/04 00:43, , 67F
就是因為只有2%才這麼唱秋 如果今天是20%可能就變能升醃
07/04 00:43, 67F
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07/04 00:44, , 68F
割版的wp8 現在一副就是2%不繼續支持就算了 老子要去拓
07/04 00:44, 68F
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07/04 00:44, , 69F
荒新市場摟
07/04 00:44, 69F
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07/04 00:46, , 70F
很好奇wp8的新客戶要從哪來？用ios的還是andriod的？
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07/04 00:47, , 71F
以前我還會推薦朋友mango機，現在哪敢推薦啊
07/04 00:47, 71F
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07/04 00:48, , 72F
反正微軟根本沒差 公司不會倒嘛 少個2％無所謂
07/04 00:48, 72F
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07/04 10:46, , 73F
這時候我就摸摸我的 6120C 多虧它~讓我倖免於難~
07/04 10:46, 73F
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07/04 11:22, , 74F
換IPHONE吧
07/04 11:22, 74F
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