[編譯] 英國平等交易局調查Google藉壟斷排斥WP

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= 記者給你當(沒人參加的活動,原來還活著(?)) = 原標題 : UKs Competition and Markets Authority looking into possible market abuse by Google against Windows phones 原新聞連結 : http://goo.gl/2Rv7tj 英國平等交易局調查Google利用市場壟斷排斥WP It is no secret, Microsoft’s mobile platforms have struggled, from Windows Phone to Windows 10 Mobile. Even the dearest of fans can attribute at least some of the blame towards Microsoft, they haven’t done themselves any favours. However, many also believe that Google has intentionally acted to thwart any possible success of a 3rd mobile platform which could risk its market dominance. We’ve already witnessed the fall of one once popular mobile operating system, BlackBerry, which now focuses on building products for Google’s operating system – Android. 微軟的手機作業系統深陷泥淖早已是公開的秘密,不論是WP還是W10M皆然。 即使是最忠貞的鐵粉也無法否認這部分要歸功於MS自身,但許多人同時也 相信Google在檯面下的小動作也阻止了任何第三方OS成為有力的競爭者。 我們已經目睹了一個曾經廣受歡迎的作業系統的崩壞,而黑莓這家公司如 今正在為Google的Android開發客製化產品。 Now, we have been informed by the UKs Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), the government body assigned to ensure market fairness and transparency, is looking into launching an investigation against Google over possible abuse of its dominant position in the mobile market. Of particular concern is that there are only 2 major mobile operating systems on the market – Android and iOS, with Android taking the majority of the market. Generally, a market is recommended to have 3 major competitors, as is the case with the mobile service provider market. This is the general rule of thumb to ensure that consumers have choice and that companies don’t take advantage of their positions. 我們近日收到英國公平交易局這個負責維持市場均衡的機構的通知,表示 政府已經開始準備調查Google是否在濫用其市場壟斷地位。針對Google的 擔憂,是目前的手機市場只有兩個主要競爭者:Android和iOS,而其中 Android又占有大部分的市場。一般而言,理論建議同一個市場中須有三個 主要競爭者,以讓消費者有充分的選擇權、同時避免任何公司濫用其市場 佔有率,此法則同樣適用於手機OS市場。 In the letter received from the CMA, it stated that a complaint has been made against Google and the information they’ve received has been passed to their Pipelines Team which “analyses and assesses the information we receive and advises on which cases offer the best prospect to make real differences for consumers.” The authority also made clear that, whilst an investigation isn’t guaranteed, they’re looking into the information they have and will be getting in touch with the companies involved, presumably Microsoft and Google, to make “detailed enquiries,” and that it will help them understand how the “market is working and may in time lead to us taking some further action.” UK公平交易局表示,他們已經將收到的針對Google的指控交付給旗下的小組, 他們將會分析他們獲得的資訊,並提供建議看究竟哪種情況會對消費者最有利。 官方同時保證,即使不一定會有正式的深入調查,他們一定會就現有的資料詳 細的與涉入這次事件的公司,也就是MS與Google,進行深入的溝通,以對現在 手機市場的運行狀況有更深了解,並決定是否要有進一步的行動。 In recent times, Google has seemingly made a few attempts that could be seen as market abuse, which includes: 1. Blocking access to one or more of its services to consumers on a competing platform, whether temporary or permanent. 2. Restricting consumers access to one or more of its service on a competing platform, or making it more tedious to access. There’s also the issue of Google not offering any of its apps on Microsoft’s mobile platform. Followed by its intentional blocking of Microsoft’s own third-party YouTube app, which could be construed as direct market abuse. 近年來,Google有幾項行為可以被視為濫用壟斷,包括: 1. 暫時或永久阻止競爭對手平台的使用者使用其服務。 2. 暫時或永久限制競爭對手平台的使用者使用其服務。 同時Google並沒有在MS的手機OS上推出任何他的app,並阻止MS自行開發的youtube 應用程式上架,這已可直接解釋為濫用其市場壟斷。 Users of its Gmail service recently made the headlines after Google made the service inaccessible to email clients on Windows 10 Mobile, with a Google engineer later replying that they’ve fixed the issue, after many user complaints on their product forums. The engineer also said that Google did not intentionally block Gmail for Windows 10 Mobile users. Gmail的使用者最近才因為無法從W10M登入其帳號登上了頭條,而一位Google 工程師也隨後出來說明他們已經解決了此問題,並針對使用者在他們論壇上的 大量抱怨,回應Google並非刻意阻止W10M使用者使用Gmail。 (可參考http://goo.gl/7kAEWX) If the CMA decide to proceed with a full investigation, Google would need to respond to the authority’s concerns and provide evidence to the contrary. Companies are legally obliged to cooperate with the CMA, or they could face fines for market abuse, which can be hefty in some cases. 如果公平交易局決定進入全面調查階段,Google需要提供證據表示他們並沒有 濫用壟斷的意圖。每間公司在法律上皆有義務與公平交易局合作接受調查,否 則將會面對在某些情形下非常龐大的罰款。 The CMA recommends that, if any consumer feels another company is abusing its market dominance or has information to provide related to Google and Windows phones, to report it via their website here. As this is an ongoing case, the authority will not be providing further updates, until when or if, an investigation takes place. In the meantime, they will be collecting information and evidence submitted by consumers and making enquiries. 公平交易局同時建議消費者,若有感受到任何公司有濫用壟斷的行為、或有任何 與Google和WP此一案件的相關資訊,皆可以透過他們的網站(https://goo.gl/nmxi86) 提報。 由於這是進行中的調查,官方不會在有進展前再有任何進度報告。同時,他們會 持續收集消費者提供的資訊,並向相關人士持續收集證據。 ---------------------------------------- 心得: 自從Google越來越背離其"don't be evil"的宗旨,我就已經越來越少接觸他們 的服務,而其透過瀏覽器及各種服務做的各種接近濫用壟斷的作為,也相當令人 不齒,但這也代表著許多消費者並沒有辦法離開他們的服務。 WP從創立之初,便因缺少Google apps飽受批評,即使這並非MS單方面的責任, 如今英國展開了調查,不知能否稍微改變此一局面?畢竟現在走向UWP,Google 為w10m開發app也等於是在為PC開發,Google應該也會更有意願吧? 近日來,許多公司也逐漸地加入windows app的開發,Starbucks、Bank of America 以及Amazon等公司皆已經或正在開發其uwp,如果Google願意加入,w10m或許仍然 能夠保有一線生機,或許無法成長為另一巨頭,但可能也有機會讓Satya看到手機 市場仍然有一些大餅能分也說不定呢。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.184.45.71 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/WindowsPhone/M.1471151381.A.BB9.html

08/14 13:14, , 1F
可是微軟這樣惡搞的歷史比google還久耶XDDD
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08/14 13:20, , 2F
微軟已經被罰了N百遍啦XD
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08/14 13:24, , 3F
欸所以如果 Google被罰個大的你就會覺得他洗脫罪孽回頭支持
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08/14 13:24, , 4F
買它一隻 Android? 不會吧XD
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08/14 13:25, , 5F
當然要看有沒有改變阿 總不能MS推薦win10被砲
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08/14 13:25, , 6F
Google各種強推Google+和chrome就沒事吧呵呵
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08/14 13:26, , 7F
而且我從來沒買過Android手機呢哪來回頭支持哈哈哈
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08/14 13:26, , 8F
MS惡搞的歷史 好像還沒有Google後來搞得大吧… 現在
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08/14 13:26, , 9F
都2016了
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08/14 13:27, , 10F
另外Dont be Evil 早就不在Google 口號中了
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08/14 13:28, , 11F
曾經是阿 後來被拿掉 不就更證明這家公司...XD
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08/14 13:28, , 12F
其實MS最有名的惡搞 就是IE 現在的MS比Google還
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08/14 13:28, , 13F
像Open Source的…
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08/14 13:30, , 14F
Google 會被一些WP用戶破 還有一個理由是很多官方不
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08/14 13:30, , 15F
提供的服務,有人用一些合GOOGLE自已規則的API去實作
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08/14 13:30, , 16F
給WP,然後GOOGLE就很快的改變API。 這事情發生滿多
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08/14 13:30, , 17F
次了
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08/14 13:35, , 18F
MS惡搞網景的時候網景的市佔率應該超過wp截至目前為止任何
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08/14 13:35, , 19F
時間點的市佔率吧?所以要說大小。。。至於非標準html(IE ta
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b表示)跟殘破的專用文書格式與pdf之間的轉換性就。。。
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提外話問一下,有人升紅石後,不能看Youtube嗎?
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08/14 13:39, , 22F
目過說的Html的話,現在好像Edge還比較標準Html5就是
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08/14 13:39, , 23F
了。 另外,有一些東西的話MS搞成業界標準不知道算不
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08/14 13:39, , 24F
算是惡搞…?
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08/14 13:45, , 25F
就成王敗寇,要用善惡兩分法的話經過那個時代的人大概會覺得
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08/14 13:45, , 26F
像star war裡面的帝國勢力範圍吧XD
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08/14 13:47, , 27F
微軟被叫邪惡帝國也不是那麼久遠的故事啊。。。所以我是覺得
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08/14 13:47, , 28F
用善惡去看公司選邊站是蠻。。。可愛的XD
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08/14 13:47, , 29F
我經過那個時代啊XD (雖然那時還小) 不過事實上那時
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08/14 13:47, , 30F
代MS留下的東西對大型開發者來說 "帝國真的很好"
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08/14 13:48, , 31F
其實很多人攻擊Google不是因為他邪惡,而是像現在美
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08/14 13:48, , 32F
國一樣拿著"正義大旗",但做邪惡的事
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08/14 13:49, , 33F
要麻 就婊子倒底嗎~
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08/14 13:50, , 34F
所以或許對於以後大數據生活化個人資訊各種流通的時代google
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08/14 13:50, , 35F
也是好帝國,然後抵抗者就像當年網景之類那樣呢~^_^ 歷史總
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08/14 13:50, , 36F
是不斷的互相印證,哈!
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08/14 13:52, , 37F
沒吧 目前大數據的世界的話,Google沒有是帝國誒。事
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08/14 13:52, , 38F
實上,這點MS可能還是比GOOGLE多大數據
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08/14 13:52, , 39F
那個就陷入「優等生犯一次錯形象全毀,浪子行一次善原來我
08/14 13:52, 39F
還有 61 則推文
08/14 17:15, , 101F
網景掛的理由 很大部分是母公司時代華納 和微軟協議
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08/14 17:17, , 102F
遊戲已經結束了 就算被罰很大wp也回不來了 連微軟都放棄治療
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08/14 17:18, , 103F
除非wp事業群突然被有力的人掌握 不然只是繼續省錢凋零下去
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08/14 17:28, , 104F
yes 你說到重點啦 放棄治療的原因有很多阿 Google的杯葛
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08/14 17:29, , 105F
絕對是其中之一 如果政府的介入有用這個理由就會消失
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08/14 17:29, , 106F
微軟目前看起來不會就這樣放手的 放置play和放棄還是不
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08/14 17:30, , 107F
同 或許哪天所有放置的理由都不存在了 就會有人回過頭來
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08/14 17:30, , 108F
檢視WP是否有繼續發展的可能
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08/14 17:30, , 109F
當然也有可能就這樣放置一輩子 但我是覺得沒道理啦
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08/14 17:51, , 110F
其實缺的app不只有google apps阿
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08/14 17:52, , 111F
想當年temple run 憤怒鳥 candy crush出現在市集就
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08/14 17:52, , 112F
謝天謝地來不及了XD
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08/14 18:09, , 113F
號稱 紅石2會中心在 win10m 聽聽就好
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08/14 18:13, , 114F
而且紅石2還打算porting hollens到各電腦欸 手機優
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08/14 18:13, , 115F
先權一定低
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08/14 19:56, , 116F
netscope最後不是變成Firefox?
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08/14 20:21, , 117F
Firefox和netscope沒有關係
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08/14 20:50, , 118F
都用過,真的最喜歡wp,但有些app真的需要,只能雙機待命XD
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08/14 22:35, , 119F
goolge真的是萬惡的公司, 我們要抵制他!!! 至少當初MS惡搞
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08/14 22:35, , 120F
其他公司沒有那麼明顯啊, google一定要給給教訓的
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08/15 00:18, , 121F
結果ms心想"拜託你們不要抵制google,這樣會造成我的損
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失"xd
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08/15 00:59, , 123F
微軟自作賤也有啦...看那精美的自家APP...
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08/15 01:03, , 124F
微軟自作賤+1 光是自家APP幾乎都不出WP版就夠嘔了
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08/15 01:04, , 125F
每次看很多人都在說微軟要收集大數據blablabla
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所以WP的客戶就不在微軟要收的大數據裡面?
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08/15 01:09, , 127F
MS : 1%算什麼大數據(掏鼻)我花同樣力氣把其他平台app改好
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08/15 01:09, , 128F
一點收的data效益高多了 <-- 我這合理推論喔誰說我造謠誰閱
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08/15 01:09, , 129F
讀障礙XDDDDD
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08/15 01:23, , 130F
1%的力量可是不容忽視的 -send from my 安卓
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08/15 01:25, , 131F
是比方說連署請求出PM GO這樣嗎?
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08/15 09:46, , 132F
不是Netscape嗎?
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08/15 17:01, , 134F
Youtube官方WP App從缺...BJ4
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08/15 23:38, , 135F
如果是美國發起的反壟斷還比較有看頭. 不過想來也不過
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08/15 23:39, , 136F
是像之前對微軟那樣, 要求Google的手機研發部門由本家
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08/15 23:40, , 137F
分離出去成為一家獨立的公司吧.
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08/16 02:08, , 138F
最美好的結果就是強迫分家了
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08/16 09:29, , 139F
be evil就是強
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08/16 09:29, , 140F
這不是不過 是很嚴重吧
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