[新聞] Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To

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Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To Do With Non-Free Firmware Written by Michael Larabel in Debian on 27 August 2022 at 12:24 PM EDT. Debian has begun a general resolution process to solicit a vote by its stakeholders what to do with non-free firmware. Debian currently doesn't load non-free firmware by default on its systems, even when it means no working hardware support/acceleration without those binary elements. Not loading the non-free firmware can also mean missing out on security updates or for addressing usability issues. Earlier this year was a discussion about Debian changing its closed-source firmware stance and now it's moving forward into the general resolution process. Until the start of September is the discussion period ahead of the general resolution vote for solidifying Debian's new stance on non-free firmware. The options being considered are: Option A - Include non-free firmware packages on the official installation media. The firmware binaries would be normally enabled by default where needed for hardware support but explore ways to let users disable the support at boot if desired. The Debian installer or live system would have a means of informing the user about what firmware is loaded whether it be free or non-free. This would replace Debian's current install media that does not include the non-free firmware packages. Option B - Include non-free firmware onto the official media along similar lines to Option A. However, the difference is this option would not replace the current Debian media sets. These Debian images would be separate, complementary images to the current install media that does not include non-free firmware. Option C - Making install media that contains packages from the non-free firmware section of the Debian archive and make it available for download alongside the free (purely free software) media in a way that the user is informed before downloading the media about the free option. See the Debian general resolution page for the proposed options in full. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Non-Free-Firmware-GR ========================================================= 選項A: 官方安裝映像檔包含non-free firmware 且不再提供不含non-free firmware的安裝映像檔。 選項B: 官方安裝映像檔包含non-free firmware 同時也提供不含non-free firmware的安裝映像檔。 選項C: 看不太懂跟B的差別,求翻譯。 愈來愈多硬體需要non-free firmware才能正常運作,Debian團隊也不得不妥協了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.133.92.232 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Linux/M.1661632749.A.487.html

08/28 07:32, 2年前 , 1F
選項C是包含non-free,從網路下載,在下載前會提示使用者
08/28 07:32, 1F

08/28 11:46, 2年前 , 2F
C是像Ubuntu那樣安裝時有選項能下載專有韌體吧
08/28 11:46, 2F
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00001.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00046.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00106.html 謝謝樓上兩位 我看ABC的原文分別是這樣寫的 A有特別提到只會塞non-free firmware進安裝映像檔 B是從A改來的,所以AB兩個選項在這部份的主張一樣 但C感覺好像只要是non-free的package都能塞進安裝映像檔 而不僅限於non-free firmware? 不過不管怎樣 Debian安裝映像檔總算是即將變得比較友善 不會在安裝過程因為缺少firmware而卡關 也不用再去用那個含有non-free firmware但卻被官方宣稱"非官方"的安裝映像檔

08/28 11:54, 2年前 , 3F
最基本的 gpu、eth、wifi
08/28 11:54, 3F
在Reddit看到這個,忍不住笑了出來 https://i.imgur.com/1KtTeP4.png

08/28 15:44, 2年前 , 4F
原先安裝檔是free only,我先簡稱它是O。
08/28 15:44, 4F

08/28 15:45, 2年前 , 5F
A是用一個包含non-free的安裝檔取代掉O
08/28 15:45, 5F

08/28 15:46, 2年前 , 6F
B是同時提供O跟A的安裝檔給你自己選
08/28 15:46, 6F

08/28 15:46, 2年前 , 7F
C是只小改一下O,讓你有選項可以下載non-free package
08/28 15:46, 7F

08/28 15:48, 2年前 , 8F
A選項對一般人來說最方便,但對於信仰自由的人最不能接受
08/28 15:48, 8F

08/28 15:50, 2年前 , 9F
C選項是最能讓信仰自由的人接受,但無線網卡還是先不能用
08/28 15:50, 9F
一般人看得到投票結果嗎? 還是要等Debian下一版出來才能知道? ※ 編輯: idisnothing (220.133.92.191 臺灣), 08/28/2022 23:43:25

08/29 14:48, 2年前 , 10F
等投完票後就會在官網公佈結果了 問了個傻問題
08/29 14:48, 10F

08/29 15:41, 2年前 , 11F
選項C不是mini-installer iso的做法嗎,雖然目前跟半殘差
08/29 15:41, 11F

08/29 15:41, 2年前 , 12F
不多
08/29 15:41, 12F

08/29 15:41, 2年前 , 13F
(自己裝過一遍結果amdgpu還是沒裝上,開機直接進不了xorg
08/29 15:41, 13F

08/29 15:41, 2年前 , 14F
,笑死)
08/29 15:41, 14F

08/29 16:04, 2年前 , 15F
還是自己做開機片用 debootstrap 裝比較安全
08/29 16:04, 15F

08/31 14:03, 2年前 , 16F
好久沒玩 debootstrap 了, 文件是看 Arch 的步驟微調嗎
08/31 14:03, 16F

08/31 20:50, 2年前 , 17F
其實也沒有要調什麼,root 密碼要改就是 XD
08/31 20:50, 17F

08/31 20:51, 2年前 , 18F
tzdata locale 那些都可以之後再調
08/31 20:51, 18F
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