[新聞] Oculus官司敗訴 賠償ZeniMax五億美金

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來源: http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/1/14474198/oculus-lawsuit-verdict 本文: Oculus lawsuit ends with half billion dollar judgment awarded to ZeniMax A Dallas, Texas jury today awarded half a billion dollars to ZeniMax after finding that Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey, and by extension Oculus, failed to comply with a non-disclosure agreement he signed. 今日達拉斯的法庭宣判 Palmer Luckey 與他創立的公司 Oculus 必須賠償 ZeniMax 5億美金 緣由是 Palmer Luckey 當初確實違反了與 ZeniMax 的 NDA 條款 In awarding ZeniMax $500 million, the jury also said that Oculus did not misappropriate trade secrets as contended by ZeniMax. 但同時 庭上也認定了 Oculus 並沒有如 ZeniMax 宣稱的竊取了商業機密 Of the $500 million, Oculus is paying out $200 million for breaking the NDA and $50 million for copyright infringement. Oculus and Luckey each have to pay $50 million for false designation. And Iribe has to pay $150 million for the same, final count. <錢是怎麼攤就不翻譯了> Reached for comment shortly after the verdict, Oculus said they will be appealing, but that they look forward to eventually putting the case behind them. Oculus 表示將會上訴 但他們的期望是可以將這件事情拋在腦後 “The heart of this case was about whether Oculus stole ZeniMax's trade secrets, and the jury found decisively in our favor,” an Oculus spokesperson told Polygon. “We're obviously disappointed by a few other aspects of today's verdict, but we are undeterred. Oculus products are built with Oculus technology. Our commitment to the long-term success of VR remains the same, and the entire team will continue the work they've done since day one – developing VR technology that will transform the way people interact and communicate. “ "我們認為今天的判決所述符合了我們的預期" Oculus 的代表這樣表示 "我們對於今天判決的部分觀點並不認同,但是挫折不會停止我們的腳步。 Oculus 的產品是由 Oculus 的科技所構築,我們將會持續發展VR科技" ZeniMax tells Polygon that in light of the decision, it may seek an injunction to stop the sale of Oculus Rift headsets, at least temporarily. ZeniMax 則告訴了我們 他們可能會尋求禁售 Oculus Rift 至少是暫時性的禁售 Robert Altman, ZeniMax’s Chairman and CEO, added that “technology is the foundation of our business and we consider the theft of our intellectual property to be a serious matter. We appreciate the jury’s finding against the defendants, and the award of half a billion dollars in damages for those serious violations.” ZeniMax 的CEO表示 "科技是我們公司的基石,我們認為竊取我們的智財是 不可輕忽的事情 我們感謝庭上否定了辯方的判決以及給予我們五億元的賠償" <以下略 就是介紹官司的前因了> 心得: 所以經過兩年的準備與最近的宣判 Oculus 最終還是在官司中敗訴 雖然說目前還未確定到底事態會不會發展到 Oculus 禁售 但確定的是這對 Oculus 陣營又是一記沉重的悶棍 ===順帶附上HackerNews有人整理的時序=== https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13545796 If the original complaint is to be believed(1) - which Juror's found credible -the course of events, tldr was something like this: - Zenimax bought ID software for >$100m(1) on June 24, 2009. - Carmack signed up with Zenimax for an earn-out / golden-handcuffs agreement that ended in June of 2013. - Carmack was enthralled with VR. - Carmack found Palmer via an internet forum, reached out to get a rift to try. - Carmack tinkered with the Rift, adding sensors, building calibration, etc. while on the clock / using hardware from zenimax. - Carmack brought a prototype of the Rift working on Doom 3 to E3 with him providing Oculus with their early press. - Zenimax realized the extent to which Carmack was enabling Oculus and worked to negotiate equity with Brendan Iribe. - Oculus sent Zenimax a proposal to discuss a partnership Sept 21, 2012 but never followed up / followed through. - Carmack quit Zenimax the day his contract was up in June 2013, joined Oculus as CTO a few months later and took his 5 best guys with him. - FB bought Oculus March 2014, Zenmix got pissed and sued. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 130.158.125.63 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/VR/M.1486021245.A.317.html ※ 編輯: kira925 (130.158.125.63), 02/02/2017 15:59:12

02/02 16:55, , 1F
禁售影響滿大的
02/02 16:55, 1F

02/02 17:03, , 2F
所以是因為違反NDA,他離職太慢了
02/02 17:03, 2F

02/02 17:04, , 3F
不過最後一句的pissed或許可以改為excited(養肥了可以宰了)
02/02 17:04, 3F

02/02 17:46, , 4F
NDA是Palmar Luckey不是John Carmack
02/02 17:46, 4F

02/02 17:47, , 5F
另外一個被罰的人 Brendan Iribe與洩密案有比較直接關聯
02/02 17:47, 5F

02/02 17:47, , 6F
目前看到的分析是 他應該是有經手John Carmack的東西所以
02/02 17:47, 6F

02/02 17:49, , 7F
才被罰了150Million
02/02 17:49, 7F

02/02 17:56, , 8F
哈哈哈 一如以往的垃圾
02/02 17:56, 8F

02/02 20:40, , 9F
02/02 20:40, 9F

02/03 07:19, , 10F
OCULUS真的是.....各種出師不順
02/03 07:19, 10F

02/03 09:17, , 11F
Pala
02/03 09:17, 11F

02/03 09:44, , 12F
這公司從上到下真不嚴謹...
02/03 09:44, 12F

02/03 11:16, , 13F
新創企業不嚴謹很正常 不過被ZeniMax坑這麼大也滿慘的
02/03 11:16, 13F

02/03 20:54, , 14F
還是希望他能好好發展
02/03 20:54, 14F

02/03 21:10, , 15F
希望它快倒掉 沒技術沒道德的垃圾公司
02/03 21:10, 15F

02/04 13:21, , 16F
不樂見這種發展,但htc vive會一支獨秀嗎?阿,還有PSVR
02/04 13:21, 16F

02/04 16:17, , 17F
Facebook很多錢可以燒吧
02/04 16:17, 17F

02/04 16:43, , 18F
惡靈古堡7 贏惹~~~
02/04 16:43, 18F

02/05 03:24, , 19F
但是PSVR在PC上沒啥競爭力
02/05 03:24, 19F

02/05 13:21, , 20F
PSVR贏在比較Cheap
02/05 13:21, 20F

02/06 09:13, , 21F
不同檔次的東西吧,PSVR除了遊戲還有什麼?
02/06 09:13, 21F

02/06 09:14, , 22F
有遊戲很重要 可是Sony資源回收PS Move滿愚蠢的...
02/06 09:14, 22F

02/09 17:38, , 23F
HTC絕對是挑戰最大的,背後沒金雞母,還每季虧損
02/09 17:38, 23F

02/09 17:40, , 24F
而且現在有一定規模的不管品牌還代工廠都跳下去搞VR
02/09 17:40, 24F

02/09 17:47, , 25F
如VIVE稍微調整合作策略,HTC就會面臨被取代的風險
02/09 17:47, 25F

02/10 12:31, , 26F
所以要建立自己的生態系和平台,只有硬體是沒用的
02/10 12:31, 26F

02/10 12:32, , 27F
光做硬體的確門檻不高,但要建立生態系就難了
02/10 12:32, 27F

02/10 12:36, , 28F
htc現在有和很多大的平台戰略合作,這也不是一般的廠家
02/10 12:36, 28F

02/10 12:36, , 29F
能做到的
02/10 12:36, 29F

02/10 12:39, , 30F
總而言之,希望這次紅姨再看對一此,不然就真的gg了
02/10 12:39, 30F

02/11 01:56, , 31F
Htc灑了很多機器給開發者
02/11 01:56, 31F

02/11 01:57, , 32F
不過成效很難出來。VR先天問題不少。
02/11 01:57, 32F

02/11 01:58, , 33F
即使O家或Steam也沒真正搞出能持續獲利軟體生態
02/11 01:58, 33F

02/11 01:59, , 34F
大家都在嘗試錯誤,希望灑出去能賭中某殺手級應用
02/11 01:59, 34F

02/11 01:59, , 35F
搞不好最後贏的不是目前的廠商也說不定。
02/11 01:59, 35F

02/11 02:00, , 36F
就像智慧手持搞很多年,直到蘋果亂入才起飛
02/11 02:00, 36F
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