Re: [情報] INTEL CEO口不擇言,被台積取消40%代工折扣
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※ 引述《buteo (找尋人與人的鍵結)》之銘言:
: https://tinyurl.com/mpkx56j7
: SemiWiki的創辦人Daniel Nenni有針對這篇報導發表意見
: 他應該是業界很有名聲的
: 擷取其中相關部分翻譯如下:
: There is a lot of truth in this article but also some fiction. It is hard to
: believe that so many people were involved in writing it
: 這篇文章有很多事實,但也有一些虛構成分。很難相信有這麼多人參與編寫。
: I remember having too many drinks with some Intel people at a GSA event after
: they signed the TSMC contract. They were shocked at the prepay and I can
: assure you the Intel discount was not as deep as Apple. Intel did renegotiate
: down the contract and the pricing did go up but it was not list price. That
: is ridiculous.
: 我記得在 GSA 活動上,在英特爾的一些人與台積電簽訂合約後,和他們喝了很多酒。他
: 們對預付款感到震驚,我可以向你保證,英特爾獲得的折扣沒有蘋果那麼大。英特爾確實
: 重新談判了合同,訂單減少,定價確實上漲了,但不是標價。這太荒謬了。
: Pat did insult TSMC on multiple occasions and Morris Chang did take note of
: it but more importantly CC Wei took it personally and CC is not one to
: forgive and forget. Pat's comments were a great motivator for TSMC to be an
: even stronger competitor. I have also noticed more complimentary langue
: towards TSMC from Nvidia and other top TSMC customers. That has not always
: been the case. CC Wei has changed the competitive culture of TSMC and Pat G
: is one of the reasons.
: G叔確實多次侮辱台積電,張忠謀也確實注意到了這一點,但更重要的是,魏哲家認為
: 這是針對個人的,魏哲家不是一個會原諒和忘記的人。G叔的言論極大地激勵了台積電成
: 為更強大的競爭對手。我還注意到英偉達和其他台積電頂級客戶對台積電有更多的讚美之
: 詞。但情況並非總是如此。 魏哲家改變了台積電的競爭文化,G叔是原因之一。
: Even worse, Pat's comment that "Taiwan is not a safe place" insulted an
: entire country. Do you really think MediaTek and other Taiwan companies are
: going to use Intel Foundry after that?
: 更糟的是,G叔的「台灣不是一個安全的地方」的言論侮辱了整個國家。您真的認為聯發
: 科和其他台灣公司之後會使用英特爾代工嗎?
semiwiki那創辦人也不能說有啥名聲
他一堆東西都4想當然爾瞎掰der
現實部分要拿整串事件脈絡來看
2020
牙膏前CEO 天鵝叔夏天在財報承認牙膏7nm(就現在的intel4/intel3)有重大問題
良率未達標 會delay
同時 開始跟GG談3nm合作
2021
G叔上台
GG N3出現技術上問題
改成N3B跟N3E
N3B密度變差良率變差
N3E效能提升但是量產大概晚半年一年
G叔開啟他的多重戰略
一方面進行4年五節點計畫追趕GG
但是畢竟跟GGN3的合作案 前任已經簽惹
G叔綜合考量下跟GG敲定N3B為主的計畫
這時候牙膏因為疫情的關C
營收啥的都往歷史新高邁進
G叔此時其實信心滿滿
看GGN3灰頭土臉
覺得輪班星人不過爾爾
前任跟GG簽的整組鳥毛根本就拖累他的大計
此時N3B的合作也就一時權衡而已
因為合約修改惹
所以價格也變惹
重點在這裡
同時
牙膏祖傳陰招開始發揮
大量公關資金聯合美國傳媒&政界大炒地緣政治風險
實際上大概2022 2023以後
GG就不把G叔放在眼裡惹
要說G叔講的話有激勵到輪班星人
我看是很少喇 差不多可以忽略
阿婆的大棒跟蘿蔔才是重中之重
大概連G叔自己也慢慢發現牙膏爛到骨子裡去惹
疫情紅利期在2022中期結束
牙膏狀況急轉直下
雖然GG因為美國蓋廠問題劉德音下台
但是導致強硬派的魏哲家至此大權獨攬
G叔注定藥丸
後面semiwiki這阿北扯到聯發科啥的就更沒意義惹
台系豬屎屋不用牙膏
很簡單的原因
尼太爛惹
簡單講
G叔就上台時意氣風發到處亂爪
三四年後發現原來小丑4他自己
沒惹
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