[情報] 韓國論壇玩家使用N+A雙補幀 提升達290%

看板PC_Shopping (個人電腦購買)作者 (InsfirE喚焰)時間1年前 (2023/12/02 00:26), 編輯推噓75(75041)
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剛逛FB看到HKEPC轉發VideoCardz的報導 英文來源:VideoCardz https://videocardz.com/newz/up-to-3x-fps-boost-nvidia-and-amd-frame-generation-technologies-can-work-together-in-games-like-cyberpunk-2077 短網址: https://reurl.cc/Ry54Dx 原文(韓文)來源:QuasarZone論壇 https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qc_plan/views/34540 短網址: https://reurl.cc/r6yxnr VideoCardz報導節錄: The Frame Generation is part of NVIDIA DLSS 3, and it is only supported by NVIDIA RTX 40 graphics. AMD’s Fluid Motion Frames technology is part of the enablement for FSR3 (next-gen upscaling) and HYPR-RX. AMD is working on enabling its frame generation tech separately as part of their driver features. Gamers may now enable AFMF per each supported game, but it requires an AMD driver and GPU present to work. QuasarZone had a crazy idea to combine both NVIDIA’s and AMD’s frame generation to the same graphics pipeline. This means that both GPUs will generate frames and, technically, this should much even higher performance. Spoiler alert, performance is indeed much higher (in some tests) but there are issues that may prevent this idea from making much sense. For starters, to enable FG on both GPUs, two cards are required in the system. The RX 6600 GPU (like in this case) must be connected to the primary monitor, and the game has to be rendered on that monitor as well. Users then must individually select the rendering GPU to RTX 40 graphics (RTX 4090 in this example). The way it works, the game is rendered on RTX 4090 which is using its native DLSS3 FG technology, but the output image is then interpolated by AFMF again, which increases the average framerate by up to 290% compared to native resolution. Without AFMF, it would be around 200% in games like Cyberpunk 2077. ====== The improvement in performance is remarkable. Significant enhancements in average frames per second (FPS) have been achieved. However, the impact on the bottom 1% FPS performance varies depending on the game. In titles like Cyberpunk 2077, the application of AFMF has contributed to the improvement of bottom 1% FPS performance, while in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, it has, on the contrary, resulted in a decline in bottom 1% FPS. Conversely, in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III 2023, the implementation of AFMF has enhanced the bottom 1% FPS performance, but when used in conjunction with DLSS 3 FG, there is a slight decrease, showcasing differences across games. — QuasarZone ====== As mentioned, this configuration is not without compromises, and it does not always produce the best experience. The average framerate will increase, but the number of the slowest frames (1%) may go lower. This metric is often used to showcase the smoothness of gameplay. In other words, despite an increase in average framerate, the experience may be worse. Furthermore, this setup means that two cards are used, so higher power consumption and exotic GPU setup will enforce full-screen rendering mode, as AFMF does not work in other modes. The Radeon GPU needs to be at least a middle-range one because the AFMF uses 90% of the Radeon RX 6600 GPU, so using cards like the RX 6500 XT might not be enough. We look forward to seeing how modders and gamers take advantage of this these technologies in the future. It is extremely unlikely that AMD and NVIDIA will ever work together to combine their technologies, either officially or unofficially. Moreover, the artificial doubling of already interpolated frames will almost certainly introduce more graphics glitches. For science, however, this seems like a very interesting thing to test. 大意: 韓國人使用RTX 4090 + RX 6600雙卡配置 同時使用N卡FG+A卡AFMF雙補幀 大幅提升遊戲幀數 https://i.imgur.com/zbSwzWg.jpg
4090負責渲染遊戲+DLSS3 FG補幀 6600負責AFMF補幀+輸出畫面 設置方法: 跑遊戲的螢幕要插在A卡上 Windows設定內要指定用N卡跑遊戲 A卡驅動內開啟AFMF選項 遊戲要跑在全螢幕 因為AFMF目前只支援全螢幕遊玩 全視窗、視窗化、無邊界模式都不支援 幀數提升可以參考韓文論壇 https://i.imgur.com/7NSQscx.png
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在2077中 平均幀提升291% 1%最低幀提升147% 不過要注意雖然平均幀上升 但有些遊戲的1%幀反而降低 所以遊戲體驗不一定更好 例如COD MW3的1%最低幀在開啟雙補幀後反而略降 https://i.imgur.com/pD19nCG.png
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結論: https://i.imgur.com/M31NwVE.png
真的有用,但有幾個注意事項/缺點 -不是每個遊戲都更順暢 有些的1%幀反而降低 -AFMF在鏡頭快速變動時會關閉,這點在FG+AFMF也一樣 -韓國作者建議使用支援PCIe x16拆分x8/x8的主機板 -4K遊玩下RX6600沒開AFMF就已經使用40%,開啟後使用率達90% 加上作者用6500XT除了效能低落外還遇到閃退重開等穩定性問題 因此建議使用6600以上的A卡 - 一個補幀不夠 你有試過用兩個嗎XD 感覺很像A卡以前的FM 也是可以N+A雙卡配置 N卡拿來跑遊戲 A卡負責輸出跟影片補幀 只是現在是補遊戲 我大二組第一台電腦也是裝N+A 不過可能是驅動打架的緣故常常藍屏 加上對我而言實用度不高 後來就改回單卡設置了 韓國作者也提到這玩法的效益問題 畢竟要考慮驅動、主板相容性 以及多插一張卡而增加的功耗等等 值不值得這樣玩就看個人了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 118.231.200.199 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1701447975.A.721.html

12/02 00:31, 1年前 , 1F
我也想過用n+i卡,i卡還能用deeplink跟i
12/02 00:31, 1F

12/02 00:31, 1年前 , 2F
內顯連動
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12/02 00:31, 1年前 , 3F
i卡驅動應該比較不會打架
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12/02 00:33, 1年前 , 4F
....有病(稱讚的意味)
12/02 00:33, 4F

12/02 00:35, 1年前 , 5F
有趣耶
12/02 00:35, 5F

12/02 00:37, 1年前 , 6F
如果插7000系列的A卡會補的更有效率嗎
12/02 00:37, 6F

12/02 00:38, 1年前 , 7F
天下大勢 分久必合 合久必分
12/02 00:38, 7F

12/02 00:43, 1年前 , 8F
可以這樣補了又補 補了再補的嗎
12/02 00:43, 8F

12/02 00:49, 1年前 , 9F
7000系比較省電一點點,應該效率會更好一
12/02 00:49, 9F

12/02 00:49, 1年前 , 10F
些吧
12/02 00:49, 10F

12/02 00:50, 1年前 , 11F
之後可以直接用新apu補ㄇ?
12/02 00:50, 11F

12/02 00:53, 1年前 , 12F
感覺延遲多少也會增加
12/02 00:53, 12F

12/02 00:55, 1年前 , 13F
作者沒有對延遲作描述 但N卡將渲染好的幀
12/02 00:55, 13F

12/02 00:55, 1年前 , 14F
交給A卡再處理 應該是會有延遲增加
12/02 00:55, 14F

12/02 00:56, 1年前 , 15F
6600都滿吃力了 APU會操到掛掉或閃退吧
12/02 00:56, 15F

12/02 01:07, 1年前 , 16F
我補幀你的補幀!!!!
12/02 01:07, 16F

12/02 01:10, 1年前 , 17F
紅綠一家親 一起補幀
12/02 01:10, 17F

12/02 01:16, 1年前 , 18F
好酷
12/02 01:16, 18F

12/02 01:17, 1年前 , 19F
這是神人吧
12/02 01:17, 19F

12/02 01:17, 1年前 , 20F
兩張中階,打得贏4080嗎
12/02 01:17, 20F

12/02 01:20, 1年前 , 21F
不是啊 問題在延遲啊
12/02 01:20, 21F

12/02 01:22, 1年前 , 22F
這樣我用4070Ti搭6900XT可以任性了
12/02 01:22, 22F

12/02 01:23, 1年前 , 23F
有創意
12/02 01:23, 23F

12/02 01:25, 1年前 , 24F
另外 現在能支援x8/x8的平台幾乎只
12/02 01:25, 24F

12/02 01:25, 1年前 , 25F
有旗艦主機板才有支援
12/02 01:25, 25F

12/02 01:35, 1年前 , 26F
也是可以用晶片組的x4槽試試啦 只是效能
12/02 01:35, 26F

12/02 01:35, 1年前 , 27F
可能會折損
12/02 01:35, 27F

12/02 01:37, 1年前 , 28F
蠻有趣的 搞這件事 比玩遊戲 本身還快樂
12/02 01:37, 28F

12/02 01:46, 1年前 , 29F
玩個遊戲一半以上的畫面都不是真的XD
12/02 01:46, 29F

12/02 01:56, 1年前 , 30F
有生之年看得到紅綠藍三家一起疊buff嗎
12/02 01:56, 30F

12/02 01:56, 1年前 , 31F
我要10倍的fps
12/02 01:56, 31F

12/02 02:03, 1年前 , 32F
RGB世紀大合體是吧
12/02 02:03, 32F

12/02 02:11, 1年前 , 33F
木桶效應
12/02 02:11, 33F

12/02 02:14, 1年前 , 34F
以前的an交火玩法
12/02 02:14, 34F

12/02 02:30, 1年前 , 35F
摻在一起做撒尿牛丸啊
12/02 02:30, 35F

12/02 02:39, 1年前 , 36F
AFMF可以無邊寬跟視窗模式使用喔
12/02 02:39, 36F

12/02 03:18, 1年前 , 37F
雙卡直接 TR 就可以開滿兩張都 x16 啦
12/02 03:18, 37F

12/02 03:40, 1年前 , 38F
sick
12/02 03:40, 38F

12/02 03:57, 1年前 , 39F
這延遲不高嗎?
12/02 03:57, 39F
還有 37 則推文
12/02 13:10, 1年前 , 77F
好酷 也許未來新型態顯卡可以這樣搞
12/02 13:10, 77F

12/02 13:15, 1年前 , 78F
再插一張 A 卡可不可以再一層
12/02 13:15, 78F

12/02 13:17, 1年前 , 79F
以後店家N卡綁A卡賣都合理化了
12/02 13:17, 79F

12/02 13:37, 1年前 , 80F
好屌 跟拼裝車一樣
12/02 13:37, 80F

12/02 13:38, 1年前 , 81F
一張卡不夠怎沒用兩張?
12/02 13:38, 81F

12/02 13:39, 1年前 , 82F
畢竟他們兩家本來就是親戚,一家親沒
12/02 13:39, 82F

12/02 13:39, 1年前 , 83F
毛病
12/02 13:39, 83F

12/02 14:05, 1年前 , 84F
這樣畫面品質會好嗎?
12/02 14:05, 84F

12/02 14:27, 1年前 , 85F
有料
12/02 14:27, 85F

12/02 14:55, 1年前 , 86F
想玩 我要把6600插上去了
12/02 14:55, 86F

12/02 15:01, 1年前 , 87F
真是酷東西
12/02 15:01, 87F

12/02 15:26, 1年前 , 88F
這個真有才
12/02 15:26, 88F

12/02 15:27, 1年前 , 89F
Lucid Hydra 領先業界15年?
12/02 15:27, 89F

12/02 15:28, 1年前 , 90F
拿來玩高畫質模擬經營遊戲還不錯R
12/02 15:28, 90F

12/02 15:29, 1年前 , 91F
天際線2、Anno1800、模擬飛行這些就
12/02 15:29, 91F

12/02 15:29, 1年前 , 92F
很有利惹
12/02 15:29, 92F

12/02 20:02, 1年前 , 93F
果然是電競國家
12/02 20:02, 93F

12/02 20:09, 1年前 , 94F
以後N卡A卡要一起買就對了XD
12/02 20:09, 94F

12/02 21:38, 1年前 , 95F
原來N是逐暗者,A是闡釋者呀XD
12/02 21:38, 95F

12/02 21:38, 1年前 , 96F
玩家:當我拔出第二把劍...
12/02 21:38, 96F

12/02 22:02, 1年前 , 97F
原本打算在雙12買4070的,現在又要多
12/02 22:02, 97F

12/02 22:02, 1年前 , 98F
買一張6600了!?
12/02 22:02, 98F

12/02 22:12, 1年前 , 99F
這什麼黑科技= =
12/02 22:12, 99F

12/02 22:21, 1年前 , 100F
A卡要逆風高飛了嗎,接下來就是RTX4090
12/02 22:21, 100F

12/02 22:21, 1年前 , 101F
+RX6600誠實(*10)禮包了(?
12/02 22:21, 101F

12/02 22:39, 1年前 , 102F
要登上N卡的順風車惹~ 大家快上車啊
12/02 22:39, 102F

12/02 22:43, 1年前 , 103F
這個PSU要買幾瓦的?
12/02 22:43, 103F

12/03 01:20, 1年前 , 104F
220v先拉好
12/03 01:20, 104F

12/03 08:25, 1年前 , 105F
太酷了吧
12/03 08:25, 105F

12/03 08:59, 1年前 , 106F
12/03 08:59, 106F

12/03 09:00, 1年前 , 107F
12/03 09:00, 107F

12/03 10:02, 1年前 , 108F
供電效能如何
12/03 10:02, 108F

12/03 11:19, 1年前 , 109F

12/04 08:19, 1年前 , 110F
NA紅綠一家親,再推出AI合體運算會飛天
12/04 08:19, 110F

12/04 09:51, 1年前 , 111F
intel再來參一咖 三位一體(?
12/04 09:51, 111F

12/04 11:27, 1年前 , 112F
RGB
12/04 11:27, 112F

12/04 11:47, 1年前 , 113F
那張4090看起來快吸不到氣了
12/04 11:47, 113F

12/05 00:47, 1年前 , 114F
有測輸出延遲嗎?
12/05 00:47, 114F

12/05 17:42, 1年前 , 115F
沒 他沒測延遲 至少他沒說
12/05 17:42, 115F

12/05 23:24, 1年前 , 116F
有料欸,推有錢大哥試試
12/05 23:24, 116F
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